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- <title>
- June 29, 1992: Interview:Kathryn Hepburn
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- <history>
- TIME--The Weekly Newsmagazine--1992
- June 29, 1992 The Other Side of Ross Perot
- </history>
- <article>
- <source>Time Magazine</source>
- <hdr>
- INTERVIEW, Page 76
- A Bad Case of HEPBURN
- </hdr>
- <body>
- <p>By Margaret Carlson and Katharine Hepburn
- </p>
- <p> "How dare you keep me waiting? Are you that stupid?"
- </p>
- <p> Not a good beginning. Not good at all. An interview with
- Katharine Hepburn is not easy under the best of circumstances,
- even when her publisher has set it up to publicize the paperback
- release of her best-selling autobiography, Me: Stories of My
- Life. It is going to be awfully hard to ask what she was
- thinking of carrying on a 27-year affair with the married
- Spencer Tracy if she keeps her back turned to me the whole time.
- Apologies are definitely in order.
- </p>
- <p> "I'm sorry I'm late, really I am."
- </p>
- <p> "You are not sorry. You are stupid."
- </p>
- <p> Well, 10 minutes late is unfortunate, yes, but a deal
- breaker?
- </p>
- <p> "I've been waiting a half hour for you," she says,
- rounding up by 20 minutes the delay. "You're an idiot."
- </p>
- <p> As a lifelong fan, I keep waiting for the comic heroine of
- The Philadelphia Story to enter. Wouldn't Tracy Lord have
- chastened Dexter with a blithe reprimand and moved on? If not
- humor, what about understanding and empathy? But these, the
- critics found, were the very qualities she had trouble
- conveying, which limited her to light comedies and, in later
- years, to playing starchy, irascible eccentrics. Hepburn was
- dogged for years by Dorothy Parker's famous put-down of her
- performance in the Broadway play The Lake: "Katharine Hepburn
- runs the gamut of emotion from A to B." If her parents, heirs
- to the Corning Glass fortune, had not bought her out of that
- flop and she had not secured the rights to The Philadelphia
- Story, she would not be summoning reporters to her house today.
- </p>
- <p> She is so determined to be sure this effrontery does not
- go unpunished that she has forgotten the book altogether.
- Instead, like the college professor who fiddles endlessly with
- his pipe before explaining why you are flunking his course,
- Hepburn decides to tend the fire in the second-floor drawing
- room of her Manhattan town house, for which she says (later,
- when she is speaking) she was offered $2 million. I look around
- at her watercolors, the antique duck decoy, some African
- artifacts, and memorize the pattern in the Oriental rug while
- she slowly removes the screen from the fireplace, chucks in a
- couple of corn husks, stokes the embers a bit here and there,
- and shoves the wood around.
- </p>
- <p> Both of us are staring into the flames now and have yet to
- make eye contact. Regret at not having camped on her doorstep
- all night hangs heavy in the air. The silence gives us time to
- reflect: me on all the other times my lateness has been costly--a part in the sixth-grade pageant, a starting place on the
- field-hockey team; her to conjure up fondly her own perfect
- record of punctuality. "I've never been late once in all my
- years in the theater," she says, scoffing at my having allowed
- only an extra hour to travel from Washington to New York City.
- Surely she could find a way to forgive the delay, what with the
- shuttle, the Queens-Midtown Tunnel, the stop at Random House to
- be cleared by the p.r. department, and the general rule of life
- that if anything can go wrong, it will. "Four hours. You should
- have allowed four hours. Anything less is dumb. I was 15 minutes
- early today."
- </p>
- <p> Fifteen minutes early to your own house? At one time, she
- was known as arrogant and overbearing, with above-average
- narcissism and self-regard even for a young actress. But over
- time and with a few flops under her belt, she was supposed to
- have mellowed. "Adorable," "charming" are the words she uses to
- describe her gradual transformation.
- </p>
- <p> "So why did they send someone from Washington anyway?"
- </p>
- <p> We've now spent more time on this inquisition than was
- eaten up by traffic at La Guardia. Short of couples therapy,
- will nothing get us out of this trough? Maybe the Washington
- comment is a way out, a four-lane expressway to freedom.
- </p>
- <p> "You're right. They should have sent a correspondent from
- New York. Let's reschedule, and someone who can be 15 minutes
- early will come."
- </p>
- <p> Hepburn turns around and heads toward the window to close
- it. She has noticed how cold it is in here despite the roaring
- fire. "Well, you're here now, aren't you? Might as well sit
- down."
- </p>
- <p> All this time, and a simple threat to leave was all that
- was needed to break the logjam. A bully respects a bully. In
- her book, Hepburn speaks candidly of being "totally selfish,"
- "a me, me, me person." To Ludlow Ogden Smith, her husband of
- six years whose only mistake was that he loved her, she admits
- to being an "absolute pig." He tried everything to please her,
- went so far as to change his name so that she wouldn't be known
- as Kate Smith. "Isn't that the way it is?" She shrugs. "Luddy
- loved me and would do anything for me. I loved Spencer and
- would do anything for him. So often these things are unequal."
- </p>
- <p> When asked how someone so full of rectitude could fall in
- love with a married man, she says, "You don't pick who you fall
- in love with. There are so few people to love. It's hard for
- one adult to even like another. Almost impossible." No argument
- there. But what about Spencer Tracy's wife Louise, home with
- their deaf child. "We never lived together. He stayed in one
- house on George Cukor's estate, and I stayed in another
- nearby." Does that nicety of real estate explain why many
- members of the press came to romanticize her 27-year affair with
- Tracy? "I never talked to them. Never. They could write what
- they wanted but without any quotes from me, though. So they lost
- interest."
- </p>
- <p> She offers lunch and I gratefully decline, in the interest
- of not being late for my next appointment. But she insists.
- "You kept me waiting so long, it's now lunchtime. I'm starving."
- </p>
- <p> No one wants that. Better to be force-fed toasted ham and
- cheese than to give her cause to start up on the late thing
- again. She is in her trademark khakis ("look at this hole, from
- gardening at Fenwick"), black turtleneck, sweater tied over her
- shoulders. The Gap should pay her royalties. "It was the only
- sensible way to dress. Anything else was silly. Fussing over
- clothes. Idiotic."
- </p>
- <p> Hepburn calls Norah, her housekeeper who got the job
- because she did not sit until Hepburn did, with a loud grunt of
- the sort not heard outside a barnyard or a soccer match.
- "Eeuuuuuunhhhh!" A deep breath and another grunt. "Why," Hepburn
- turns to confide in me, "do they only hear you the second time?"
- </p>
- <p> Finally, we are on the same side. I'm upstairs, Norah's
- downstairs. Hepburn has someone new in her sights. When dessert
- is slow in coming because Norah is waiting for the homemade
- Irish lace cookies to bake, Hepburn muses, "What do you think
- she is doing down there to that ice cream, making it?"
- </p>
- <p> Hepburn still swims, "to be irritating," all year off Long
- Island Sound but points to a bum ankle that forces her to crawl
- over the rocks to get out of the water. "Imagine the obituary,
- actress drowns in six inches of water." Only for a second do I
- imagine this and ask, generally, about dying. "No fear. I love
- to sleep. I picture it as just a good long sleep." She likes
- being alone. "I have such a great family that I haven't had much
- need for friends. Guests come for dinner at 6 and have to leave
- by 8."
- </p>
- <p> After her divorce, she was involved with the agent Leland
- Hayward and Howard Hughes, but it was Tracy "who was on to her,"
- who gave up nothing for her and who consequently won her
- devotion. She stopped doing everything that irked him, even
- altered "qualities which I personally valued. It did not matter.
- I changed them." Despite making it safe for women to wear pants,
- she is not a have-it-all feminist on the subject of children and
- career. "You can't do both. It's a choice. If you want a career,
- which I did, why bring a child into the world who won't get the
- benefit of your total attention? You can't concentrate on more
- than one thing at a time."
- </p>
- <p> Hepburn is no more introspective in person than she was in
- her off-the-top-of-her-head, sentence-fragment memoir. Hepburn
- does not like people who "make a fuss." When she found her
- 16-year-old brother dead, hanging from the rafters by bed
- sheets, she cried later because it was expected of her. The
- apparent suicide was never discussed. She waits until the last
- chapter to talk about Tracy, who she says initially believed the
- rumor that she was a lesbian. She says she never knew how he
- really felt about her and wonders now if she "should have
- straightened things out." He would have felt less guilt, and the
- divorce would have been "ennobling to [Louise]." Regrets? Only
- that she did not become a writer because it is so easy. "No
- makeup. No costumes. I wrote in bed every morning. Whatever came
- into my head. Someone types it up, and you have a book. I have
- no idea what it says. I've never read it." This, like wearing
- an old green raincoat fastened with a big safety pin to
- auditions to show that she didn't care whether they liked her
- or not, is something of a pose. There is an audiotape of her
- reciting Me, so she has read parts of it at least once.
- </p>
- <p> She suddenly stands. "You have enough, I'm sure." As is
- her custom, she leaves without saying goodbye.
- </p>
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